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County Judge not allowing flag over Confederate Memorial on Courthouse lawn

It is the beginning of the 150th anniversary of the Civil War and no flag is allowed to fly over the Confederate soldier monument at the CH.  The monument was privately purchased and the then County Judge, Del Roberson, allowed a flag pole which flew a 3rd National Confederate Flag.  It flew until 2008 when Lanny Fite and his wealthy supporters from HSV on the veterans committee as well as at least one of his local members decided they were not going to allow it to fly anymore.  No complaints had been made, no issues, just that they didn't want any to arise.  The flag had been "removed" a number of times and it was always replaced. 

The memorial area is to memorialize all veterans from Saline County.  However, our Confederate veterans (approximately 1200 served and 254 died) are not allowed the same honor.  The veterans committee states it has to be a service flag. Well there were no service flags then.  It is apparent the HSV contingent may be from somewhere else and convinced the Judge he didn't need it up. 

 

At any rate, these men fought for their lands and homes when called upon to do so.  Many died, more than all other Saline County men from all the other wars combined.  Yes they fought for their own country at that time, and only did so when forced to either send troops to fight their relatives in other states and to defend against invasion.  This is a huge shame for Saline County.  These men came back, rebuilt the city and county and helped make it what it is today.  How many people remember the name Bush, Hughes, Hockersmith, Medlock, Shoppach, Ashby, etc.  all CSA vets?  It is time the people know what elected officials are up to. 

 

Many tourist dollars could be brought in with 150th anniversary events but the judge is not planning to recognize anything much like he tried to do with not acknowledging the 175th anniversary of the founding of the County.  It is just such a shame the judge does not have intestinal fortitude to do the right thing.  The movement is building however to correct this and hopefully many Saline Countians will join in this effort to honor those veterans, Americans too, and their hardships and sacrifices.

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We should ban the Arkansas State Flag.

The reasoning is simple.

The star above "Arkansas" is there for one reason and one reason only. That star represents the Conferate States of America.

How evil, let's ban it.

And no, I'm not kidding about the meaning of that star.

Two notes:

 

History is written by the winners.

 

Recognizing the seditionists is in order. Honoring them? Hardly.

What impact has the removal of the "stained" Confederate Flag from mainstream America had on race relations in America and abroad?  The current American flag has been used by some as a rallying icon for racists, should we remove it from the Saline County Courthouse?
So fighting an aggressive force that is attacking your homeland is not an honorable thing? I guess Shermans' "march to the sea," was a noble act and should be honored, huh?

dan berry said:

Two notes:

 

History is written by the winners.

 

Recognizing the seditionists is in order. Honoring them? Hardly.

Pam, there were NOT large numbers of blacks who fought for the South. That is an absolutely incorrect statement and an unfortunate historical distortion that has become more accepted in recent years. Large numbers fought for the North and the North only. Please believe me that I say this respectfully and with no imputation to you that you are trying to deliberately distort the facts, only that the fact cited is itself highly inaccurate.


Pam Harcrow said:

Luckymom....

You are so right.  It is sad that the flag has become associated with ..

If you accept the notion that the Confederate States of America were an independent nation of former states that had formally seceded from the United States of America, then the Confederates were no more Americans than somebody from Guatemala or Syria. The Confederates fired the first shot in the Civil War. It's a perfectly valid comparison. It just makes some people uncomfortable because we all know the Nazis and Japanese were the bad guys in WWII. The whole argument "the South was fighting for states' rights, economic issues, etc., etc," may sound good when phrased like that but in the end it was about slavery: a state's right to legalize the enslavement of other human beings, the economic impact of losing the slave labor force and having to compete with Northern industry on an equal footing, an individual's right to enslave and breed other human beings to be slaves for their economic gain, and other issues like the expansion of slavery to the territories of the unsettled West, the expansion of slavery to Mexico, Cuba, and Central and South America. This was not a noble contest between two equally right parties, one of which just happened to win. It was an all-out war to determine whether we are the kind of people who will enslave others because of the color of their skin. Thank God Almighty the North won.

Luckymom said:

I think you need a minor history lesson because there is a Big difference in the rebel...

No, because it's the official flag of the United States of America whereas the Confederate flags in whatever form represent a group that tried desperately to leave the USA and all that it stands for. Since some are advocating that we fly and honor the flag of that foreign nation, shouldn't we fly the flag of every nation that's held dominion over Arkansas? Why not the Imperial Flag of Bonaparte's France? How about the Royal flag of Spain? There's no difference, they were all foreign nations that controlled the lands of Arkansas.


Brad Moore said:
What impact has the removal of the "stained" Confederate Flag from mainstream America...
What about the 90 to 95 percent of the people who did not own slaves nor had any interest in owning slaves? If an invading force came upon your land what would you do? Professor Ed Smith, director of American Studies at American University, through his research has came up with somewhere between 60,000 and 93,000 blacks served the Confederacy. General Stonewall Jackson had 3,000 fully equipped black soldiers in his force at Antietam.

Wild Rumpus said:
If you accept the notion that the Confederate States of America were an independent nation of...
My relatives, none of which owned slaves, fought because they were invaded. It's just that simple.
And why were they invaded? Because they rose in insurrection and rebellion against the legal authority of the United States of America, attempted to forcibly expel the legal representatives of the USA, and nullify the rule of law established under the United States Constitution. This wasn't a fight that was started by the US. At no time did any nation on earth recognize the legitimacy of the Confederacy. Not one. While it sounds patriotic and noble to claim that our relatives (I had them on both sides, too) were only defending their homes and families against a foreign invader, it ignores the fundamental principal that supporters of Southern secession were seeking the "freedom" of self-determination, the bedrock foundation of which was depriving other human beings of the same freedom to make that determination for themselves. If the rebels had immediately freed all their slaves when they declared independence, then it might be a more convincing argument that they truly desired freedom. As it stands, the rebels kept other people in cruel bondage, selling men, women, and children like we sell cattle, until they were forced by the Union Army to stop. Nothing else would have stopped them, as proven by how hard and how long they resisted. It was a terrible war but I am proud that the USA fought it and won it. I shudder to think what kind of people we would be today if they had lost or worse still, had never fought for freedom at all. It's just that simple.


Jonathan Newcomb said:
My relatives, none of which owned slaves, fought because they were invaded. It's just that simple.
"There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil." - Robert E. Lee

Fred said:
Slavery is an evil hateful practice, and anyone supporting it or the side that allows it i...
And yet he fought to establish a system of government that ensured that very evil would be sustained and even extended. Lincoln said a lot of inconsistent things about slavery over the years, too, but in the final analysis it's about what each man did about that matters. Lee fought for slavery, Lincoln ended it.


Jonathan Newcomb said:
"There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil." - Robert E. Lee

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